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Old 17-03-2006, 22:00   #1
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The basics of setting up a car.

This document contains all the basics of a setup, camber, toe, swaybars, and tells you in wich way changing these will affect car handling.
I've written it myself, cause I couldn't find anything on the net that would be easy to understand for people who are still unexperienced in this matter.

BEWARE: this document is only for those who experience problems while trying to create setups. It won't learn you anything more when you know wich effect any adjustment has, because I didn't want to give to much details, this would only be confusing.
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Old 18-03-2006, 00:57   #2
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Nice little guide you've done! Plain and simple for some one who has no or little knowledge about car setup

Though I think you've done a small typo.. In the section about toe you state
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FL wheel positive and FR wheel negative toe= more stable turn-in, more understeer.
You then go on with different examples of what does what in toe settings. This is rather good and easy to understand, but I think you've made a typo as you speak of FL and FR when I suspect you meant FL and RL... am I right in this assumption?

Other than that, good work!

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Old 19-03-2006, 07:58   #3
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Nice little guide you've done! Plain and simple for some one who has no or little knowledge about car setup

Though I think you've done a small typo.. In the section about toe you state

You then go on with different examples of what does what in toe settings. This is rather good and easy to understand, but I think you've made a typo as you speak of FL and FR when I suspect you meant FL and RL... am I right in this assumption?

Other than that, good work!

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No toe is correct, Front Left FL and Front Right FR. I'm giving the setup for each individual wheel. You always have 1 negative and 1 positive side, otherwise you get assimetrical setups. In GTL it's simply toe for front and rear, I don't know what positive front means, -+ or +-, didn't test it yet, but I'll do that and then I'll adjust the document.
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:13   #4
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Hey how about making this, and my other thread, a sticky??? So everyone can quickly find help, without making 100 diferent threads about the same subject?
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Old 12-10-2006, 08:48   #5
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Hey how about making this, and my other thread, a sticky??? So everyone can quickly find help, without making 100 diferent threads about the same subject?
Really good idea, STICKY PLEASE......I've only just found this thread...and full of useful info.....thanks 350kmh, for you time in doing this, and if not for your "bump" would not even have found this thread. STICKY

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Old 16-11-2006, 04:55   #6
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This document contains all the basics of a setup, camber, toe, swaybars, and tells you in wich way changing these will affect car handling.
I've written it myself, cause I couldn't find anything on the net that would be easy to understand for people who are still unexperienced in this matter.

BEWARE: this document is only for those who experience problems while trying to create setups. It won't learn you anything more when you know wich effect any adjustment has, because I didn't want to give to much details, this would only be confusing.
thanx dude, really appreciate!
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Old 03-12-2006, 20:28   #7
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Nice guide, but there's one thing I don't understand: how does increasing front springs make the car understeer less, while increasing front sway bars makes the car understeer more?

The way I see it the sway bar stiffens (increases) the loaded spring while cornering, thus increasing sway bars and increasing spring should have the same effect.

BTW, could you add a section about dampers too?
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Old 04-12-2006, 23:12   #8
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And Caster,

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Old 05-12-2006, 08:15   #9
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Setup guide I found
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:26   #10
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This definitely should be sticky!

Will it help me get the Ferrari through the chicane at Zolder?! Will it help me get the 911 through any corner without slowing to 10 mph first?!

Thanks for all the info!
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Old 20-05-2007, 23:53   #11
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I guess there is any confusion in your guide.

The need to adjust suspension is to obtain a better weight transfer that fit with your drive, ok? Ok, so when you transfer more weight to a wheel, in theory it loses grip earlier and start sliding. If it happens with the front wheel, you get understeer, and if it happens with the rear wheel you get oversteer.

One of the basic rule is that harder the suspension more weight it attracts. So if you increase the spring hardness of the front wheels, you get understeer.

Understeer and Oversteer are about with losing grip when the tyres are in the limit. If your front wheels achieve the limit before the rear, you get understeer and vice-versa.

In GTL the idea is sliding. The compounds are very resistent, and the tyres are always in the limit when you drive fast. This is easy verifiable in TC65 cars!

To be fast with those cars is necessary oversteer.

About TOE IN, the scheme used for explain is too complicated. The right way is the way you found in any site when you simply go Google or Wikipedia: TOE IN is a positive number that defines the symmetric angle between the wheel and the longitudinal line of the centre of the car. That means, if you look your car from the top, the first part of the front wheels are pointed towards to the centre.

One important thing in GTL setup is about differentials setup: more POWER, more oversteer under acceleration, which combined with a good use of the gas pedal, gives best control for RWD cars (not indicated for newbies). This is a useful characteristic to be fast at corners exit. Many cars, such as Pantera and GT40, Falcons and Mustang are more controlable when you "turn in with the pedal" what means that you don't do curves using just the sterring wheel, but the right combination of pressure and lift of the accelerator and the constant correction of the wheels position while you cornering.

More Coast, more understeer, but more stabilty under deceleration, indicated for newbies. A good average values for the majority of the cars is 40%/40%. For Mini you can try 80/20%.

In fact this is a wrong field on the GTL setup, cause in the game is supposed that all the cars have slip limiter differentials, what is not right (I believe that the majority of the TC and GTC65 cars has opened differentials).

Other important thing in the suspension setup is the Caster: more Caster, more stability in the straights, which is good for brake, and better oversteer due the addtional camber when cornering. However the turn become more rough, and you need more force applied to the steering wheel, cause the tendency of the front wheels to return to the centre is emphasized. As basic rule you can increase 1 or 2 degrees for any car in GTL without fear.

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Old 21-05-2007, 01:35   #12
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In fact this is a wrong field on the GTL setup, cause in the game is supposed that all the cars have slip limiter differentials, what is not right (I believe that the majority of the TC and GTC65 cars has opened differentials).
While I agree with the rest of your points, the TC65 and GTC65 cars do have limited slip differentials in real life
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Old 10-03-2008, 08:20   #13
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Setup guide I found
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I've tried it before and now that I've tried it again but whatever link I click on in this thread all I get is an empty window. Where are those files then?
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